Having Dibs on God
Last week there was a comment left on my blog that made me smile and then sigh. The person refereed to Christ as if it was their Savior and not my Savior. That somehow because I quote the dalai lama etc that I can't possibly have her savior. And that my having posts that spoke of the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa or had a picture of my Quan Yin statue or prayer beads made it certain that I could not be part of her exclusive club of believers to which she claims membership. Not sure how she has seen into my heart but I suspect her particular club has a very limited number of members since we all for the most part have very individual aspects of our belief systems, even if we don't voice them in public for fear of being shunned in some way or another, in addition most have travelled a few paths that probably don't meat her criteria in all aspects, Some, not me, as you can see by my posts, have learned to keep their mouth shut regarding their wonderings, (the things we wonder about ) And then take it one step further, they just plain forget their past sins and look only at their recent "perfection" when measuring up some poor soul that is on another road. I knew a woman who had a baby just a couple months after she was married. This woman was the first to judge when it came to purity. If you didn't know better, you would have thought she was pure as the driven snow her entire life. I could care less what she did in the past, but you would think she would have a bit more compassion on the subject and a lot less condemnation.
Sort of like the women who join a plain church and condemn every single woman for not covering their head or wearing dresses only....makes you shake your head and think....would they have wanted to be treated that way when they didn't dress that way. Is it love or condemnation that makes us want to be a part of the Christian world ? Not hard to find that answer. I am not done with my spiritual journey. I certainly have not arrived as they say. My journey has been full of experiences that have taken me to where I am now. I have gone to Seventh Day Adventists schools, grades 1-12. I studied Hinduism and Buddhism. We attended a very plain Mennonite church for many years. I also spent many years a part of Chabad for which I am ever grateful for and Chassidic Judaism will always be a part of my life. Maybe a stronger influence in who I am than any other one thing.
Each one of us as a personal spiritual journey. Our steps and our choices are not the same as anyone elses. Not a one of us has stayed the exact same in our beliefs as we were 10 years ago. We refine and define things every day. Never questioning or never sinning is just not a reality, if it was, there would not be any need for the words in the Bible. Jesus came to get folks back on track, to get people to the point where they didn't bang themselves on the chest and say, "look at how good I am, look at my righteousness". Fortunately for us, what we think about another holds no power in the final decision on who goes where. I often wonder about the thief on the cross, I bet he met more than his fair share of people who said things like the comment I am referring to in the beginning of this post. The judging sort of thing...but in the end, that thief on the cross will be where ? A final moment, a final decision can change it all. We just never know. I am not perfect and far from it, content in knowing that God knows my heart, my sincerity in searching to know who He is, what He is all about. I feel incredibly blessed in my life, not cursed. I see Gods miracles worked over and over in my life. I have love all around me. Somehow I just don't feel like God has held it against me that I have been looking for Him in many places and find wisdom from a simple Buddhist monk or in a woman that served the sick in suffering in India with the compassion Christ spoke about with the Good Samaritan. I am 99 % sure my spiritual journey is not over. I have no idea what the final chapter of my life book will read like. But I do know that I will never feel that I own God and that He is mine alone for the way I believe. I just don't happen to hear Gods voice in that mentaility.
If I could accomplish one thing in my life, it would be to have people think about the benefit of showing compassion to one another simply because they are human and leave all judgement up to God.
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Just in case you are interested in your soul, interested in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, interested in the truth of God, and interested in what the Bible teaches about the salvation of sinners by the grace of God, this has been written for you. It is very brief, but very important. It states in plain, clear language five of the most precious and most important truths revealed in the Word of God. These five basic Bible truths have always been received and taught by the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Throughout the history of Christianity, the servants of God have preached these truths of the gospel, and the people of God have delighted in them. Today they are just as precious as they were when they were taught by our Lord and his apostles. Among the people of God, these truths are just as popular as they were then. And the servants of God still proclaim these gospel truths just as regularly as the apostles of the New Testament age. Divine truth never grows old. If you are interested in your own soul, the souls of men, and the glory of Christ, these blessed truths will bring joy and comfort to your heart, as you see how they are taught in the Word of God. Are you interested?
TOTAL DEPRAVITY
All men, by nature, since the sin and fall of our father Adam, are guilty and helpless sinners before God. By God's own arrangement Adam was the representative of all mankind before God, so that when Adam sinned, we all sinned in him. When Adam suffered the penalty of sin, death, we all died. This is clearly the doctrine of Holy Scripture. "By one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" (Rom 5:12). The guilt of Adam's sin was imputed to all men without exception. "By the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation" (Rom 5:18). All men were in Adam as our representative before God. All men sinned in Adam. All men were condemned in Adam. And all men died spiritually in Adam.
All men are born in spiritual death. We do not become sinners when we reach a certain age and commit certain evil deeds. We were all born sinners. Being the sons and daughters of Adam, we inherited our father's nature—sin. We are all born with a decided bias and tendency toward evil. Every member of the human race is born with a corrupt, sinful heart, which is capable of every evil thing, were it not restrained by the hand of God in providence. This is what the Son of God says about the natural human heart— "Out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies'' (Matt 15:19). Because our hearts are evil, everything we do is marred by the pride and selfishness and evil of our hearts. We do not have the ability, the will, or the potential to do a single thing that is truly and perfectly good and righteous. "There is none righteous... There is none that doeth good, no, not one" (Rom 3:10,12). Because all men are spiritually dead in trespasses and in sins (Eph 2:1-3), all men are utterly helpless by nature. We do not have the ability in ourselves to obey the gospel any more than we have the ability to obey the law of God. Salvation comes by believing on Christ; but dead sinners cannot believe. The Bible doctrine of total depravity is just this: All men by nature are sinful, guilty, and helpless. Unless God intervenes and does for man what man cannot do for himself, all men will perish. "Salvation is of the Lord" (Jonah 2:9).
UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
Before the world began God chose to save some men in eternal, electing love and predestinated them to be his sons by adoption. God's loving choice of his people was in Christ his Son, whom he had appointed to be the Mediator, Substitute, and Representative of his people. Election was a sovereign and unconditional act of Divine grace. God did not choose his elect because he foresaw something good and meritorious in them. He chose his own elect simply because, he will be gracious, and he will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. God's election of his people in Christ is immutable and irreversible. That is to say, God's election of his people guarantees and secures their eternal salvation in Christ. All who were chosen by God in election and given to Christ shall be saved. Not one of God's elect shall ever perish. This is clearly the doctrine of the Bible. (Read John 6:37-40; Rom 9:11-16).
All of God's people rejoice in and give thanks to God for his electing love. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him: in love having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace wherein he hath made us accepted in the Beloved" (Eph 1:3-6). The Bible doctrine of election simply says that all who are saved were chosen by God to be saved, because he loved them with an everlasting love. in its very beginning, before the foundations of the earth were laid, "Salvation is of the Lord." This blessed gospel doctrine of Divine election, which so greatly rejoices the hearts of God's people, is taught throughout the volume of inspiration. (Read Jer 31:3; Psa 65:4, John 15:16; Matt 11:25-26; 2 Thess 2:13; 2 Tim 1:9).
LIMITED ATONEMENT
The Lord Jesus Christ shed his blood at Calvary for God's elect. Christ died to redeem God's elect alone. The Son of God did not shed his blood in vain, which would not be true if any of those for whom he died perish in hell. It was never our Lord's intention to redeem and save all men. He even refused to pray for all men (John 17:9, 20). It would be absurd to think that Christ died for men for whom he would not say a prayer! The sin atoning death of our Lord Jesus Christ is limited to those who are actually saved by his blood.
In order for God to save his people, justice had to be satisfied, sin had to be punished, the sinner had to be slain. Therefore the Lord Jesus Christ came into the world as the Substitute and Representative of God's elect people. Living in righteous obedience to the law of God as the Representative of his people, Christ established perfect righteousness for us. Dying under the penalty of sin as our Substitute, the Lord Jesus Christ satisfied the claims of Divine justice against us. Because the justice of God has been satisfied for God's elect, by the death of his Son, God will never charge his own elect with sin. He imputes the righteousness of Christ to every believer, and rewards us for righteousness.
The doctrine of the Bible is just this: when Christ died as the Substitute of his people he effectually accomplished the eternal redemption of all God's elect, those people for whom he died, all who believe in him. This is what God says about the death of his Son—"For the transgression of my people was he stricken" (Isa 53:8). "It pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many: for he shall bear their iniquities" (Isa 53:10,11). "He hath made him to be sin for us; who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" (2 Cor 5:21). "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" (Gal 3:13). No one who knows Christ can tolerate the notion that he failed in his work, that he tries to save men whom he cannot save, and that he died to redeem some who are not redeemed. Such doctrine robs Christ of his glory in redemption and destroys all hope for sinners. All of God's people rejoice to know that Christ died particularly for them and effectually accomplished their redemption in his death. "By his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us" (Heb 9:12). We rejoice to declare that "Salvation is of the Lord."
IRRESISTIBLE GRACE
God the Holy Spirit comes to the sinners who were chosen by God in election and redeemed by Christ at Calvary and effectually applies the blood of Christ to their hearts, creating faith in them. He sovereignly comes to men who are spiritually dead and gives them life. Through the preaching of the gospel he regenerates ail the elect and draws them to Christ with irresistible power. We have no faith in Christ by nature; but he creates faith in us. We would not come to Christ of our own accord, by our own free-will, but he makes us willing in the day of his power. The Holy Spirit does not try to get men to believe and come to Christ. With the effectual and irresistible power of his grace, the Holy Spirit brings sinners to Christ in true faith. This is the doctrine of Holy Scripture. "Blessed is the man whom thou choosest and causest to approach unto thee" (Psa 65:4). "Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power" (Psa 110:3). "No man can come unto me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, and they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me" John 6:44-45). "It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing" (John 6:63). "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy" (Rom 9:16). In regeneration, as in election and redemption, "Salvation is of the Lord."
PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS
According to the Word of God, all true believers shall continue in the grace of God until they reach their heavenly inheritance. Not one of God's elect shall ever perish. The purpose of God in election will not allow it. The purchase of Christ in redemption will not allow it. The grace of the Holy Spirit in regeneration, by which we are preserved in life, will not allow it. And the Word of God, which he has plainly spoken, will not allow one of the Lord's sheep to be lost in the end. God himself declares, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:27-28).
These five basic gospel truths give great comfort and joy to all true believers. They are the very foundations of our faith. We rejoice to declare to all men that we believe the Bible doctrines of TOTAL DEPRAVITY, UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION, LIMITED ATONEMENT, IRRESISTIBLE GRACE, and the PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS. Only those who are opposed to the grace of God are opposed to these things. In stating plainly what the Bible teaches about these things, the people of God are simply declaring what we know to be true—"Salvation is of the Lord!" "By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works lest any man should boast" (Eph 2:8-9). "Not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake" (Psa 115:1).
Don Fortner, Pastor
GRACE BAPTIST CHURCH Of DANVILLE
2734 Old Stanford Road
Danville, Kentucky 40422-9438 USA
Telephone 859-236-8235
DonFortner@all-of-grace.net
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He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:16
Nothing could be more clear.
I believe in a loving, God! You can spew your Hell and Damnation all you want, but won't you be surprised, Irene, if you find out some day that your holier than thou, judgmental attitude does not hold you in good favor?
I have known too many like you. Too much anger, too rigid, too hateful.
This blog and this time is a particularly bad time and place for such venom.
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobate?
Act 17:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
I love hearing your wonderings and thoughts. I love the way you think and think you are a special person.
Oh perhaps you are wanting some attention, like the naughty child that has figured out that negetive attention is better than no attention.
I wish all those self proclaimed holier than thou bible thumpers would really stop to think what it is they are preaching and maybe listen to themselves. I am far from a religious being. I do however believe in God and His word. I believe there is only one judgement we need to concern ourselves with and I can promise that is not the judgement of Irene.
Thank you Patty for helping us remember to look inward and really think about how we treat one another.
Mary
Having read the post, I am wondering: do you think there is one gospel, or several? One God, or a few different? One way of salvation, or a variety of ways?
I don't ask to be contentious, but to clarify. Because your post seemed to say there are lots of valid ways to approach God.
The comments seem to be leaning towards the idea if you think there is only one Savior and one way of salvation, you are narrow minded or mean.
I'll put forward the idea that if there are all sorts of ways to get to heaven, I don't quite know why Jesus had to come, live a perfect life, suffer, die, and then resurrect. It seems to me that if there are alternative ways of salvation, His work was not necessary.
Anyway, even though you don't know me, I feel like I found an old friend and am so happy to know you are still there and still living the way I admired so much. I send warm regards to you and your family.
Barbara
If you are ever in my neck of the woods, feel free to stop by !
Have a super day Patty:-)
I found your blog a few days ago...I followed a link from a friend. When I first started reading (I tried starting at the very beginning...whew! I'm skimming through now, trying to catch up on Melanie and Mei-Ling) I made the mistake of assuming that you were a plain woman. As I've read, I realized that you are a woman who is transitioning and searching for who you are. You are not afraid to look bad, or to try only to present what you think people want to see. I thank you for that.
I am younger than you, but I understand the search. I am searching myself, looking for truth. To me, it boils down to this. Jesus said to love one another. That's it. He didn't say to only love people who think like you do. He never limited himself to those who are "worthy"...He made it a point to speak to the lowest man and woman. I believe that if Jesus were alive today, he would work in an AIDS clinic or something of that nature. He would not have the biggest church with the biggest pulpit. He would be at a homeless shelter, feeding the hungry. He would be busy loving, not busy condemning.
Thank you for speaking to the Muslim woman that you saw at the hospital. My best friend is Muslim, and it's horrifying how people treat her...and the way that they stare at us. We've made a joke of it, but it doesn't make it any less inappropriate. So many people assume that they know, but they don't have any idea. Their understanding is what they've heard on the news. Few have ever bothered to stop and ask intelligent questions. Thank you for seeing the woman and not just the religion.
I personally think that you are on the right path. You show love...love of God and love of your fellow man. And, according to Jesus, those are the two most important things that we can do.
Maybe a few other "Christians" out there should pause for a moment and consider that.
I was a plain woman for many years, and my son still is in the plain church. My husband works for a mennonite company, so we travel in that world still and it is always a struggle for me to not be a part of the community, yet harder yet to be a part of it.
It sounds like giving the gospel to, say, the Muslim friend you mentioned, might be considered some sort of antagonism.
For instance, if you told your Muslim friend that Jesus died for our sins so that if she trusts in Him, she can go to heaven and even enjoy His presence in her life here on earth. . .
would we be putting her down or denying her particular path to God or what have you?
The gospel is exclusive. Jesus said Himself, He is an offense. How can you tell someone they are a sinner and need salvation without being offensive? Even if you are kind and confess to being a sinner yourself, the offense is still there.
Of course, you could skip sharing any gospel message with the Muslim friend.
But ultimately, would that be kind?
my Muslim friend is a revert. She grew up in a "Christian" home. The constant abuse (physical, mental and emotional) led her to look for a different path. She found Islam and has found peace. She probably knows the Bible better than I do, because she tried so hard for so long to be the Christian that her parents wanted her to be. I have no worries for the immortal soul of my friend, because I know that she worships the God of Abraham, just the same as me. She knows that God loves her.
If you told her that He is the way, the truth, and the life, and that no man comes to the Father except through Him, would it be a hateful thing to do?
Obviously, I don't think so, and that's what I'm trying to point out. Is that having "dibs on God," or did Patty mean something else - an attitude, perhaps, or an unloving manner? That's what I am trying to figure out.
I am very far behind, but have enjoyed finding your blog today! Some of the comments here perfectly illustrate what has been on my mind lately... and it saddens me so. It seems to me that the Christian church imploding from the inside.
Thank you for being upfront and truthful about your life journey. I am enjoying your points of view!